4 spike bayonet. 4Mk. A sniper? 0 It is essentially an updated N0. Feb 9, 2020. The swivel was to be "low turret" in design so that the sling body would be stopped by the existing magazine loop - this allowed the sling to be "locked" in a diagonal exit path off the fore end at an ideal angle to wrap the bicep and provide sling position options for better steadying in all positions. It is stamped nothing at all like yours. 4 Mk. The British No. Here are 2 genuine early Singer produced sights - the SM 41 example was more correct to apply to my 1941 MalTby: Note the all blackened finish - dark and matt - typical of war time efforts at H&H. Cure Date: The Sante Fe in the center was completely polished and blued by them to make a premium scoped sporter - they removed the original serial from the wrist and added their own by stamping through the bluing (original barrel serial is still present) this rifle may have picked up the fabricated safety spring at Santa Fe. Read my article on Bayonets for the Short, Magazine, Lee-Enfield Rifles. With Hitler's war machine on the move, the British needed an accurate, mass-production rifle. Per the contract and description Hollands were to remove the L / "flip" battle sight when present from the sending factory and replace it with one of their provided milled micrometer sights (either Singer Machine or Savage made and marked) - this would leave the rifle needing a new "zero" - a pass through an "Enfield Rest" test. II was, by far, the most numerous variant, with over 3.3million units produced. SPONSORED. In 1943, Prince-Smith was assigned the dispersal code N56. 4 Mk. N56 (not pictured). So if you have a genuine Maltby T - it was converted in 1941 and a little into 1942 at H&H while stocks lasted - typically Maltby "Ts" are nearly always 1941 dated - a 1942 example that is genuine has yet to be documented. Little is known about these British No. Long branch bayonets are marked with a superimposed "L" and "B". The other day I bought a No.4 mk1 Lee Enfield from a gun shop and I need some help identifying it. This example was made in the USA by the Savage Stevens Co. of Chicopee Falls, Massachusetts. Unissued Savage Enfield No 4 Mk1 Rifle , 303 British. by gruff27 22 Mar 2012, 20:09, Post . The Enfield No4 MK1 was one of the most prominent battle rifles ever produced. 4Mk. (SMLE rifles which became the No1 MkIII and No1 MkIII* in 1926) An Enfield Rifle No4 Mk1*, a No5 Mk1 and the aussie experimental No6 Mk1/1. Piece of cake rebarreling the old No4. Many Baird examples have a crowned IG mark on the socket. The following makers' codes are noted on some bayonet blades and scabbards, it is quite possible that they may also appear on firearms and related components. WIth the No4T there are still a couple of ways to do this - long length of either sling forward or rearward - depending on your stature and preference for adjustment. 0000001426 00000 n The demand of new ENFIELD 303 NO 4 MK I rifle's has risen 8 units over the past 12 months. The Original Condition rifles are in good turn in condition. Hey guys, I just recently was given by my boss a Lee Enfield NO.4 MK1 303 British that I am trying to gather all the info about. 4 Mk. Because of its great simplicity, the government was able to let contracts to firms not previously associated with arms production. I'm currently working on restoring a New Zealand, a Canadian and a German/Greek Enfield. N30 over H&B (pictured at left). This PSK No. by gruff27 23 Mar 2012, 11:37, Post In September 1945, nomenclature was changed to replace Roman numerals with Arabic numerals. Another dimension is whether to use (or if it is fitted) to include the front trigger guard triangular sling swivel (included in the factory build from Nov 1944 onwards and added by armourers as found after). $8.69 shipping. Only 75,000 of this type were made. 2 mm. 1 scabbards. "S" inside a square. For those out there that want to get deeper into the serial number issues I would suggest purchasing either Skip Strattons or Ian Skennertons books. This lowered costs and allowed manufacture by subcontractors. 4 Mk. Our Price: 9.99: No4 Mk1 sight. 4Mk. I bayonet was short, light, sturdy, and unappealing. Baird Engineering Company of Belfast, Northern Ireland, produced approximately 101,103 bayonets from 19421944. British No4 rifles were set up with a 5 digit serial number system with 1XXXX being allotted to Maltby, 2XXXX Fazakerley, 3XXXX BSA Shirley. II* socket bayonet was used in Iraq during the Second World War and by the Iraqi Army after the end of British occupation in 1947. Once the initial range of numbers was maxed out a letter prefix was added and the numbering began again. III (substitute) scabbard with parallel sides and oval frog stud. Speculation is that it may be a prototype from a design proposal that was not adopted. endstream endobj 770 0 obj<> endobj 771 0 obj<> endobj 773 0 obj<>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text]/ExtGState<>>>>> endobj 774 0 obj[775 0 R 776 0 R] endobj 775 0 obj<> endobj 776 0 obj<> endobj 777 0 obj<> endobj 778 0 obj<> endobj 779 0 obj<> endobj 780 0 obj/DeviceGray endobj 781 0 obj<> endobj 782 0 obj<>stream Photo to follow, when I can work out how to post one. (120mm.) & S. Ltd." = Fred Fisher & Sons Ltd. "JW (S) Ltd." = John Wilson Ltd., Sheffield, "TRM.1", "TRM.2", and "TRM 3" = Tinsley Rolling Mills Co. Ltd. of Sheffield. I know it was made in north America I'm just wondering if it's the US or Canada. They may have the numbers stamped into the front portion of the fore-end and on the bottom of the magazine. Then after the lessons and material losses of the BEF in Europe, the No4T was hurried into existence and the 1907 USA leather slings were applied to it as standard equipment. "AM/712" indicates procurement via an Air Ministry (RAF) contract. [35] Your serial No. It may not display this or other websites correctly. VNS mark represents "Viners Ltd. Sheffield, England" a subcontractor of Enfield parts. British infantry rifle Lee -Enfield No.4 Mark 1 of WW2. 4 Mk. 5 will have "Rifle No 5 Mk I" electrostencilled there, [20] while a post-war conversion will generally have either no markings or markings from manufacturers who did not make the No. Lee Enfield #4 MK1 - MARSTAR CANADA. The significance of this mark is not known. The volume of serial number inquiries has prompted me to fashion this page together and try and explain how best to identify a particular rifles manufacturer. 0000000016 00000 n Early blued steel mouthpiece marked: "No. II* socket forgings. Prior to their creation a variety of WWI sniper rifles were in use. The latter will have an engraving on the flat side of the receiver which will read something like (taking one of my rifles as an example), F(FTR)49. No idea what it means on a No.4. 0000001927 00000 n I scabbards were made in the USA. !o, I am hoping to get some help confirming or disproving my theory about this 1963 Indian furbished Lee Enfield No4 Mk1* I bought a few days ago. The longer bolt heads are worth significantly more than the shorter ones and are considerably harder to find. Here, he explains their advantages and disadvantagesand how to use them safely. He does mention the stylised 'M' is rare compared to the other factory markings encountered. It was published in 2007, available now from Aust., N.Z., US and UK distributors. 7B/1005/21/103/1147 This example was reworked post-War following the change from Roman to Arabic numbering. I sniper variants. . The, The very first Maltbys and BSA's produced their own and used the associated early marks for each (large B for BSA, stylized M for Maltby). He was born in 1921 and later served as a navy corpsman in Japan and Korea. by verdenpark 23 Mar 2012, 07:54, Post 4 Mk 1* (T) rifle in .303 British made by Savage in 1942. I and some Prince-Smith examples exhibiting rough tool marks. C-71-111-000/MX-000 will be used for parts procurement. Rifle Serial Numbers were put on the box that all the parts of a subject rifle were taken from and stored in while it was being converted. No4 rifles were given a starting number that may be used to identify manufacturers, but again there was no set serial blocks. Manufacturers in North America did not use Dispersal Codes. The No. The first photo below is of a Hollands installed cheek piece on a 1944 scopeless rifle - its position, form and fit is per the as-new standard. The butt stock above was taken from a real BSA No4T - it is clearly a service replacement - but not by a British armorer - the serial number for the rifle is stamped with 2 sets of numbers - on 3/8" and the other 1/4" - rather crookedly. The safety latch style and M47C mark and the SM marked rear sight as as the 1945 examples above. . The world famous Lee Enfield in one of it's most popular incarnations, the Lee Enfield No.4 Rifle is one of our best sellers. That`s a No4 Mk1* made by Savage for England in the days of WW 2. Our Price: . ROF (F)- Royal Ordinance Factory, Fazakerley, UK, FY- Royal Ordinance Factory,Fazakerley, UK, (F)-Royal Ordinance Factory,Fazakerley, UK, UF-Royal Ordinance Factory,Fazakerley, UK, Long Branch- Small Arms Ltd., Long Branch, Ontario, Canada, P.O.F.- Pakistan Ordnance Factory, Wah, Pakistan. The No. So usually to get the old barrel off I cut a groove relief just forward of the receiver to relieve the pressure. However, this has not been substantiated. You must be rich. No. Parker Hale PH5DC Lee Enfield No4 rear sight and PH 'FS2A' foresight. The Lee Enfield No 4 Rifle Mk 1 was produced by a variety of different manufacturers in England. The British MoD was running short of scope brackets and cheek pieces as it started the L42 service extension program so new surplus examples are rare on the ground. I've seen guys actually twist the action because they are so tight. The Short, Magazine Lee Enfield (SMLE) delivered sterling service from the mud of Flanders to the farthest reaches of the Empire. by Saxon Cross 22 Mar 2012, 21:33, Post 1* imported by Century International Arms. not 8.8 Barrel length is 25 1/4 inches, not 25 2 inches SMLEs will have serial numbers stamped on the bolt, receiver, barrel, nose cap and the underside of the rear sight. 1 Mk. This indicates the length of the bolt head with the larger numbers being the longer bolt heads. 4 spike bayonet was the result of a 20 year series of studies, experiments, and troop trials seeking to find a lighter, handier substitute for the venerable Pattern 1907 bayonet. I have a serial number and FTR on the piece you have a picture of; my date is on the main part of the gun right above where your stuff is. II bayonets from 19421944. RV# 11322, Socket: "No 4 Mk II" over a superimposed "LB". For example, No. The prefixes were assigned as follows: A, B, C, D, E, F, G, L, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T ,U, V, W, Y ,Y, Z, AA, AB, AC. This also disbursed production, mitigating the risk of production being interrupted by bombing. II*, with approximately 161,026 reported produced, during 19421943. I is the most commonly encountered scabbard, outnumbering all others combined. Baird marked their bayonets two different ways: Some No. Prince-Smith used four different markings: Howard & Bullough Co. of Accrington, Lancashire, was one of the smaller makers of the No. II bayonet re-packaged in 1963 cardboard carton. 4 Mk. by The_Enigma 29 Mar 2012, 15:46, Post Howard & Bullough marked their bayonets three different ways: Lewisham Engineering, at 9 & 11 Malyons Road, Ladywell, London, was the smallest maker of the No. 4Mk. S51 was already the war time production code for Holland and Holland - there were to make components under this code as well as convert No4 rifles tot he new T specification beginning in early 1942. All matching numbers. The finish varies considerably between manufacturers, with Baird bayonets approaching the excellent finish of the No. This suggests production by a private contractor that was paid according to the number of pieces accepted. Go to. The other makers were much less prolific. 4 bayonets. The following illustrates the four bayonet and scabbard types that were mass produced; and some unusual variants that I have acquired. 1* is functionally the same as the Mk.1, but various changes were made in the design to make the manufacturing process faster. 4 mm. These specific letter prefixes were assigned to ROF Fazakerley and BSA Shirley, the only two manufacturers of the No5 rifle, this ensured that there would be no duplicate serials during the production run of No5s. :Mr`X cV7AB.D~|rU`z .O l/|~ ; 7{ 4Mk. 4Mk. 0000004592 00000 n and N74 - sometimes both in the same instance (pus inspection / receiving marks). Savage rear micrometer sights have some unique machining features in the battle peep - which will be missing on the T format versions. Socket: "No. US$40 (4 bids) Little is known of their manufacture and use. BO 12151 (the five digit no. Area Code: 443 . The very early contracts at Holland and Holland for T conversion included selected rifles from Savage, Longbranch, Maltby and BSA (a single Fazakerley example has been documented @ 2020) - this was too much variation for the conversion process to be efficient and by early 1942 only BSA rifles were to be converted. British No4 rifles were set up with a 5 digit serial number system with 1XXXX being allotted to Maltby, 2XXXX Fazakerley, 3XXXX BSA Shirley. I've looked all over the internet and I can't find any info. Advertisements. $40.59. II* bayonets. (pictured at left) 5 Mk 1, unofficially nicknamed "Jungle Carbine.". ownership marking. 1 Mk3 mark III SMLE No4 Mk1 1917 British Parts Lot S at the best online prices at eBay! 4 bayonet was repacked in September 1986 at Building 3 of the Royal Army Ordnance Corps' Central Ordnance Depot, Donnington. Get the best deals on Enfield Slings when you shop the largest online selection at eBay.com. Cheek Piece and Screws - The birch / beech / walnut cheek piece design and material specification were first developed for the No3T - the scoped Pattern '14 rifles. The frog measures 4.875in. 4 Mk. Prior to the Great War (World War One, WWI, 1914-1919), the Short, Magazine, Lee-Enfield (SMLE) left the factory with a buttstock marking disc, a small, removable piece of brass inletted into the right side of the buttstock; a place for the Unit Armourer to stamp a unit identification. II* its characteristic stepped join between blade and socket. History, development, service, specifications, pictures and 3D model. Here is a Savage T format sight - with a 'squared S" on all 4 major parts as above: Of other interest - Wood and other Metal marks / stamps. wide. 1 various markings. 4 Mk I, chambered in the same .303 British cartridge as the SMLE, retained the better features of the SMLE (in 1926, the SMLE was renamed the No. on Oct 26, 2019. . by Steve Hoog 22 Mar 2012, 20:21, Post The factory eventually went on to produce cylinder heads for Davey-Paxman landing craft engines. The bayonet exhibits better finishing than most British No. P.S.S. This example came in a modified Turkish belt frog. 2. Serial number observations suggest about 7,000 were made. 4 Mk. 5,949. The rifle pictured here is a No. Being a Mk1* we knew that though. The last year observed on these sights using the SM mark is 1943 as per the right hand example, then the S69 code is used - again on major components (sight ladder (top left of the face), cursor (left side), elevation screw (top) and elevations screw nut (back). This example was manufactured post-War for Belgium. More importantly, everything it makes has the performance to match. AA was webbing. Forging subcontractor marks tend to be very deeply struck. My thought is its a Savage No4 Mk1* lend lease made in 1942, It has the ( S ) markings and machine marks, The receiver, barrel, bolt, magazine and stock all have the same Indian furbished serial numbers and the savage markings. 4 bayonets. The new value of an ENFIELD 303 NO 4 MK I rifle has risen $13.78 dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $631.57 . Nearly 5 million spike bayonets were reported produced. The markings in the other photos are not mentioned, except the '2' on the bolt head, which is its size (there being several sizes available to get the head space right). Here are 2 genuine early, It has been observed that only on No4T rifles, there can be found an, In the expert write ups, there is reference to the H&H contract use of an, Get email offers & the latest news from ArtioZen. These are now hard to find in any condition, but this example is near pristine. Enfield No4 Mk1 Markings I just got a No4 Mk1, and I can't figure out a few of the markings. Scabbard makers included: This uncommon scabbard has parallel sides and is made of very lightweight steel tubing. 4 MK. III rifle also began to take hold, different mounting systems were tried. II* bayonets. There are more but again I would suggest reading either Skip Strattons or Ian Skennertons books on the subject. When reference is made to an all matching SMLE the serial numbers must all be the same. Like the SMLE an all matching No4 or No5 will have all the serial numbers matching wherever they are found on a particular rifle. The Lee-Enfield rifle was first adopted by the British as a military arm in 1895 and . We specialize in all military surplus weapons from AK-47s, AR-15s, Mausers, CETME, Enfields, UZIs, and much more! Three firms produced the No. Due to similarities with Indian Government acceptance marks, this was once thought to possibly indicate Indian service. The example pictured at left also carries the Canadian "broad arrow" mark, indicating acceptance into Canadian service. Socket (right): These prefixes can be used to authenticate these rifles if found in a gun shop or personal collection. From 1943 onwards, Singer bayonets bore their dispersal code, N67. 2 mm. mark) on a scopeless 1944 BSA. 1.5 - Added 200% more memes for all my Brazilian fans. I* (T) were the standard WWII sniper rifles for the British and for the Commonwealth, except for Australia. $6.50 + $5.05 shipping. Four mouthpiece materials have been documented: Zinc Alloy (Mazak), Steel, Aluminum, and brass. II* (pronounced: number four, mark two, star) was a further simplified version, with the socket and blade two separate forgings. Hollands also stamped the rifle serial number into the hidden edge of the top of the butt that fits into the wrist socket and at the underside tip of the lower fore wood - along the barrel bore axis (other factory serials are seen here wrapped around the fore wood - around the barrel axis). 1) A white "37" painted on the stock. A round frog stud is brazed to the body. Helve: "M.H.B." Lee-Enfield No. Here's a picture of a maltby 1943 with a similar 'M' as yours, before the 1943: 4 bayonets went to New Zealand. One influence in the selection of Singer was that Scotland was felt to be safer from German bombers than England. Apart from the markings as stated above, you should take note of the woodwork. This "last-ditch" SMLE was manufactured in 1943, and it has all the signs of a wartime firearm made in the throws of desperation. Where did the replacement Micrometer sights come from? 4Mk. 769 0 obj<> endobj Hollands were contracted to produce enough swivels to retro fit all arms found in service and they were provided as an armourer spare part. It was a simplified version of the Short, Magazine, Lee-Enfield rifle that served the Empire so well in the first unpleasantness. Guns, Parts and Accessories Quick Shopper, WTS/WTB/WTT (Want to Sell, Buy or Trade) Forum, Appraisals, Fakery, Dispute Resolution & Mediation Forum. 4Mk. Lot of 4 Vintage Tin Halloween Noisemakers. Some SMLEs may be found with as little as a 3 digit number and high as a 5 digit number. 1944 Enfield No.4 Mk1*(T) Long Branch TP Sniper Rifle Serial # 74L0318 (Converted by Long Branch Arsenal, Ontario, Canada) c/w matching Telescopic, Sighting C No.32, Mk.I(TP) (Trade Pattern) Scope Serial # 4392S (Mfg by Lyman-Alaskan) . Firing mechanism is Enfield pull cocker type, with left side serrated safety lever. 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