I didnt really spend a huge amount of time on that Super Junior post and I didnt properly think about the way I was phrasing things, or the information I was including. 4) I included the hijab thing for Heechul because I saw muslim fans point it out and say that it made them uncomfortable. hitType: 'event', True, the haters just don't know them so they judge easily. Thats not true. 2) Its a good thing that people talk about suju being problematic? pg.acq.push(function() { Why was that her fault? omg lol at everything written under heechul. Our hearts on fire . or for the life of me find it again so this is unsourced for the time being. If it had just been misheard or a mistranslation, why would they censor it? Its kinda iffy, and as a trans & queer person it definitely rubs me the wrong way :-//. Yet she's okay with that. Yes, I should have checked the links. My hiatus is indefinite, but its unlikely Ill be running it again any time soon. I included links to everything that was on the list (some of which had been deleted - another thing I messed up on big time) and with certain things, I did include a bit of extra information (e.g. It has become commonplace to trash Mamamoo and Hwasa in particular, just another meme or joke to let slide. We're celebrities too but we're human first.". I will try to work on this in the future because I dont want to portray idols as villains when theyre not actually responsible for what has happened (e.g. Mamamoo is not the most problematic group ever I'm a fairly new Mamamoo fan and I was hearing a lot about them being super problematic towards black people (so being black) I decided to some research to find out. Their interactions with their fans and staff members are so sweet and genuine, and they do their best to be inclusive of everyone (like Wheein taking her time to speak to a deaf fan and doing some sign language, Hwasa going on the floor to sign a fan's cast---the list goes on). Regardless, a fan who thinks that its not a problem isnt going to hold it against Heechul, the point of the post isnt to make you hate the idols (Heechul is literally one of my ultimate biases) its just supposed to be informative. I dont think people should defend what others do/say, regardless of how long ago it was, but I do think people should look at stuff in context and use a degree of common sense. Trust me when I say that most of the people who whine about mamamoo blackface are non-black people , I've seen a lot of black MooMoos who have forgiven them since the apology , but a lot of non black kpop fans wear it on their neck like it actually affected them in the first place , I may be the only one who thinks this way but American Kpop fans act very arrogantly when it comes to mamamoo a controversy. The thing that happened next is the thing often referenced the most when discussing Mamamoos past, Hwasa singing the n-word. Her wig: Now I can understand how it can be seen as cultural appropriation. I hope everybody has a good day/night. The post isnt supposed to be the be-all-and-end-all of offensive super junior. Because of mistakes that they've made out of ignorance, mistakes that they've apologized for. Ive seen multiple times that idols should know better because they have internet access and should know why the n word is bad or why blackface is bad. Compare this to some other idol groups with rabid fanbases, any controversy and they're ready to defend their idols to the point of issuing death threats to the critiques. She was singing song lyrics from Melon (a Spotify-type South Korean streaming website), lyrics that had the n-word in them. If you haven't, let me enlighten you. It's harder to get exposed to these issues that we know about under their circumstances, but once Mamamoo comes across them and understand, they'll learn from it. }); 1. Guess we just have to deal with the immature fans who judge them for small things. if(document.querySelector("#google_image_div")){ 18 Jan 2023, 08:31 PM . Everyday there are tweets wishing for her to die, get beat up, fall out of planes, etc. I love mamamoo their song i miss you is what got me into them as that song made me really sad but their songs hit different and Moonbyul is such a tomboy and i love her, I love how Moonbyul dominates this poll lmao, Moonbyul isnt even my bias anymore but I cant switch my vote so yep go dominate girl. So I decided to forgive them cause myself personally thinks that they tried to show love to Bruno Mars which is apparently one of their fav artist by doing a vcr of their songs but stupidity and very ignorantly decided to dark their skin to match his and his dancers. Now you may be wondering, this dating news had absolutely nothing to do with Mamamoo, why were Moos suddenly preparing for a new war against Hwasa hate comments? Thanks for posting this. Hwasa in 2015 said the n word in a show where she was given the lyrics but being a non English speaker she clearly didn't know what she was saying. She embraces her skin and body, even though it doesn't fit neatly within traditional notions of what is considered 'ladylike' or 'beautiful' according to South Korean standards and prefers to pen songs about empowerment. They are definitely not out to hurt anybody, that I know for sure. If you would not be able to handle it being done to you, dont do it to others, no matter how big or famous those other people are. We are one of the worlds fastest growing Heechul put the scarf on his head as Gain was explaining why she chose to wear hers in a hijab style. We will not waver; we will not tire; we will not falter, and we will not fail. For the writer herself, she said she used to stan Mamamoo and doesn't anymore because of the problematic things they've done. For a lot of other controversies in Korea (like addressing an older person informally), international fans may not understand those issues as well as Koreans and believe that it's no big deal. },false) Like everyone says here, it will never excuse their actions but if we can see them grow and learn from their mistakes I'll always be there to support them. Because of MISTAKES. But this often means the backlash is swift and severe anytime she puts out new content. You are entitled to your own opinion, and if what Mamamoo has done is considered too ignorant or rude for you to support them anymore, that is 100% in your right to not excuse them for it. 1) I made this post because Ive seen people actively asking about what things suju have done and whether we have a masterpost, this wasnt supposed to be a resource for people to use to justify their hate for suju, however if a person does hate suju because of things members have said/done that is up to them. But what appears to be the root of people's unforgiving nature where Hwasa is concerned is that despite past apologies and promises to do better, the idol has continued to make mistakes in the form of cultural appropriation. eventAction: 'click_ads' the Eunhyuk WGM thing being scripted). Official MAMAMOO Thread cntrljinsung Jul 1, 2019 hwasa mamamoo moomoo moonbyul solar wheein MAMAMOO bais? I think people need to realize that Asia is still inside a bit of a bubble when it comes to what is appropriate regarding race and cultures. #1,972. To be honest, I wish Id made the suju post more like the exo one, because the exo one included a lot of the stuff people are criticising me for leaving out of this one. I found out that they did blackface which is disgusting and heartbreaking cause I really liked them so I stewed on it for a few days and looked again and found that they had apologised that same day 2x and that they also apologised in person the next day concert. Some things aren't even their fault, but ofc they're going to frame it that way (like Wheein saying that she feels like a normal person for making silly faces and people bashing her saying that she's thinking too highly of herself as a celebrity? They were ignorant and uneducated at the time. They're also one of the very few idol groups where everyone has expressed that they're supportive of the LGBT+ community, which is huge especially in such a conservative country like South Korea. Yeah, the first thing international fans do is hear that Mamamoo is bad and that they shouldn't like them, and then they jump in on the hate without doing their own research. It is common in America to wear red puffy wigs as the stereotype of a clown, however it is not as common in South Korea, which is why Hwasa wore braids as the hair to her outfit. And yes I did make an exo masterpost, heres a link. okay so Ive seen quite a few people get mad about the master post I made about super junior (some people have linked me to what others have said, other posts Ive seen floating around) and there is a lot of valid criticism being said, and some other stuff which seems to just be a misunderstanding. You dont owe them anything in the lines of forgiveness, especially if you were one of the people they personally hurt with their past actions. And please send me a link when you upload the video, Id be interested in seeing your translation. I don't think anything they have done has been malicious, however it was a product of maybe not being knowledgeable of what may be considered offensive to others. Mamamoo is perhaps most widely-known for writing their own music, their electric stage presence, and constant ad-libs often thrown in to make each stage as unique as it can possibly be. also please read this before trying to contact me about any of this. my bias is varied between moonbyul and solar Hip is one of my most played songs ever You must log in or register to reply here. Everyone seems to think that the world revolves around them. media-tech companies with hubs around the world. In the age of the Internet, in the age where absolutely anything can be done online, your actions online matter. Joined: Mar 2022 #5. }); Mamamoo's Hwasa has come under fire more than once after accusations of racism and cultural appropriation. #askhwasa pic.twitter.com/rqPYTIMaEL, And from there, the jokes just continued, "Biggie or Tupac?" if he just said that he wasshocked because he thought they were gay/trans, then its iffy. Personally, from the time that I've been a fan, Mamamoo has usually apologized/acted contrite for any controversies that they've caused. I just always feel the need to resolve something when I get into it and I could see where you were coming from (plus you made some valid criticisms) so I thought Id explain myself. As the n-word is decidedly not of Asian-country origins it would make sense that she would not know the meaning of a English word that she is quickly seeing and then singing in a song, as it is a word which takes most, if not all, of its derogatory meaning from American context. Yes, I should have included things such as dates. when Lay said, When asked about his ideal type, said that she, He and Chen chose Kai and Tao as the members they wouldnt want to date if they were girls, when Chen was explaining why, Xiumin interrupted him and saidThey both have a similarity, theyre both tanned (, Posted a photograph of him in a face mask on Weibo and captioned it, Apparently there were some old online comments from Baekhyuns cyworld account where he called girls at his High School sluts but I cant find any screenshots, Chanyeol and Baekhyun apparently admitted to teasing the Chinese members at first for their pronunciation/korean and acted somewhat cold towards them, though I cannot find a source for this, Many people have said Chanyeol said his ideal type would have white/pale skin but I cant find a source on that so Im not sure, Some people have told me that Kris is sexist/misogynistic but I cant find anything about this online, I also vaguely remember seeing a picture of exo which one of the members wrote comments on and there was something about Kais skin being dark but I cant remember who it was (possibly Kai himself?) That crosses every sort of line. (Photo : Mr. Kim) Apink Chorong was a school bully, New recordings and evidence Revealed [+1,956, -53] As expected, the entertainment industry is filled with kids with such dirty personalities~~~~~. I read something the other day that said we forgive the people not the actions which I think is a accurate way of thinking. }); The thing to note here is that Hwasa is not fluent in English. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. }); Yes, I should have included more info and specified where I wasnt knowledgable. Firstly, Im fairly sure I missed stuff, but also, a lot of it is somewhat interpretational. And that isnt even getting into the worst of it. when in retrospect it really wasnt my place to do so and I want to say Im really, sincerely sorry about that. Im aware hes from Canada, Im aware people are less touchy-feely in the west, but the fact that the thought of his band members being gay or transworried him is definitely problematic. I dont know how familiar you are with vixx, but N is constantly put down by hisfriends about his appearance (specifically his skin color) and one of the things Kangin criticised him for was his self confidence, which honestly, was really, really rude and definitely uncalled for. And it appears they still hold her accountable for it, largely owing to past instances of appropriation, such as wearing a durag. Ngl I let out a couples laughs tho. heechul just wore a scarf on his head - thats not how anyone wears a hijab properly and white women have been doing that since like the 40s. Some people are a bit skeptic of whether or not I actually like Super Junior, which I can understand, but I would like to clarify that I do. Ive also seen Chanyeol and Baekhyun fans criticise them for the stuff theyve said/done, but move on and continue to be their fans, which is also a personal decision. They are also one of the very few groups to have not only have won an Immortal Songs episode, but won three separate times with Backwoods, Wonderful Confession, and The Dance In Rhythm (this is typically something only done by veteran singers, as idols competing have to win over an all-age audience). Kim Yong-sun (Korean: , born February 21, 1991), better known by the stage name Solar (Korean: ), is a South Korean singer, songwriter and actress signed under RBW.She is the leader and main vocalist of girl group Mamamoo and its sub-unit Mamamoo+. hitType: 'event', And the answer is simple: Hwasa has been their scapegoat for years now. My anxiety and paranoia are bad enough as it is but they shoot up every time I post on here, leaving me feeling sick when I cant check my inbox (or when I have lots of messages) and paranoid that everybody hates me/this blog. Its much appreciated :-), Im KOREAN TOO, and shes lying, i will post a video with the REAL ONE and gonna call you out too.-. Someone texted back, Its about to get worse, they will try to trend another hate tweet. We hope that you will help to educate us on these and other issues so that we can become better people and better artists.. }); They're also one of the very few idol groups where everyone has expressed that they're supportive of the LGBT+ community, which is huge especially in such a conservative country like South Korea. The show is about celebrities living their daily life alone. Theyre one of my favorite groups and its kind of annoying to see people say that Im not a fan just because I made the post. Solar Moonbyul Wheein Hwasa Results are only viewable after voting. I also included a link to it at the top of the super junior post. There are so many kids in the . its actually really frustrating when sources get deleted because then theres no definite way to tell exactly what somebody said. 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