They recorded them. Change is slow. They might as well have sent a taxi to her to help take him out and drown him. First she killed Andrew Bagby. Mr. BAGBY: The baby would be half Andrew, and that, for us, was sweet. The court allowed the Bagbys supervised visits with Zachary. One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. We. Around 11:30 PM Shirley came downstairs, asking to borrow T.J.'s car. The world is a better place because David and Kate are in it! I was just hoping more from this book, but I can understand it. Whom was also a doctor. Both of them were victims of murder. Afterwards Turner ran off to Canada (she had duel citizenship) before Pennsylvania Cops could arrest her for Dr. Andrew Bagby's brutal murder. He said, `What do you mean?' Mackenzie is particularly fond of Survivor, which she has been watching ever since she was born. the eventual turning of a bill they drafted actually becoming law. If it looks like she's likely to go back, how is she going to behave? For David, of course, there is the book, but there is also the caldron of emotion that refuses to let him rest until hes sure hes done all he can to prevent others from going through what he and Kate have endured. MORRISON: Do you find yourself going back and playing that back in your mind? The Bagbys hoping to gain custody of Zachary moved to Newfoundland and began a long, drawn-out battle in court and with Canadian social services to protect their grandson from the woman who had almost certainly murdered their son. Shirley. (David and Kate; photo of Andrew by tape being put into recording device; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you babysitting? If. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Just got up. And that little boy. "Nobody wants to do it, but you have to do it.". I didn't like her but I didn't think she was capable of murder.". Bring your club to Amazon Book Clubs, start a new book club and invite your friends to join, or find a club thats right for you for free. But of course I didn't. Kate and David thus lose their son and grandson to the same evil womanand the former might still be alive today had the court system not let Shirley walk free. Then, in August 2003, Shirley Turner killed herself and the one-year-old Zachary by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. A court mandate allowed David and Kate Bagby to spend time, with their grandson, babysitting, even sharing in joint activities with. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) His parents don't even know, do they? What do you want it Mr. BAGBY: Very seriously. Mr. BAGBY: We first got to see him personally in family court. Or it's in the car. Mr. BAGBY: What a flake. "It was an overpowering feeling. In fact, he had made a date with another woman that night. A three-volume report released in 2006 by coroner Peter Markesteyn blamed fundamental flaws in the province's social services for Zachary's preventable death. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. Your recently viewed items and featured recommendations, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. At first, visitation was limited to one wonderful, torturous hour a week with Zachary. We couldnt live without him, Kate Bagby says. Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. Corporal GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, Dr. Turner, I'm Corporal Gardner with the Pennsylvania State Police. David Bagby vowed to "scream long and loud about that." He penned a book, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, released in 2007. MORRISON: The sea at midnight was endless black. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. Zachary's corpse described him as looking up to the sky. doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? Kuenne said he's grateful that politicians championed a law that could save lives. At first, the Bagbys did not know whether to believe her. They could check cell towers then, but only manually. Some changes, including increased spending and a review of social worker training, have been made to the child protection system since the tragedy. But two months later, that would change, after Shirley appealed, again to be released on bail. Since this was written by the first victim's father, little to no backstory was provided for the accused murderer. Kate went to the floor, and I kicked the door and--oh, we, just--just like with Andrew, there's nothing you can do. You know what, when Andrew didn't show up at 7:30, I knew something was very wrong. While keeping a matter-of-fact tone throughout the book, bursts of emotion break through and you can really feel the pain that the Bagby's went through. Kate has also moved on,according to her Instagram. The chief suspect for Andrew's murder was his ex-girlfriend Shirley Turner? They're like, `What do you mean?' Hed walk a little and then, boom, hed fall down.. would now have to be something else, a visual letter to Andrew's baby. At the time, Turner was wanted in the U.S. to face trial for the murder of Andrew Bagby. Than they are able to see a light at the end of the tunnel when she announces she is pregnant with Andrew Bagby's child, to be named Zachary. ?I knew what Zachary's fate would be long before it was written about here but it was shattering to read of it from his grandfather's perspective. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. They quit their jobs and moved from California to Newfoundland. All the years that she was good to me as a mother was pretty much thrown out the window at the end.. For parents Dave and Kate, the pain was unbearablebut Andrew's murder was only the first in a string of tragic events. Kurt's film, meanwhile, was released last year and hailed in the US as one of 2008's most moving documentaries. I mean, the best man is really the groom. He was in, Mr. SHEARS: I would cook supper sometimes when she wasn't around. She would never go away. You can, just--there's nothing. Some of, those frames even at the dollar stores will say--there'll be little sayings on, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) if you want to say `Mommy and Daddy' on a. frame and stick a picture of me and Andrew in it, I don't know. How could they let an accused murderer walk free? MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. Theyd fly back to Sunnyvale to hold a memorial service. It took a series of calls, but Kate eventually heard the words she so feared. MORRISON: Was it reasonable for the court to trust her? By Mike Cassidy | Bay Area News Group. She studied international business and marketing before finding her passion for writing. Family and friends go to extraordinary lengths to honor a legacy of a young man whose trust led to tragedy. I just finishes the book, and for a first-time writer I thought the writing was excellent. Its rage with me, he says. It also analyzed reviews to verify trustworthiness. Mr. BAGBY: We fret and worried and everything. But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. I had NO idea what the outcome was going to be. I didnt know Americans could quote Shakespeare.'. I suggest you keep any heavy items out of reach because you will want to throw them at the television screen & a box of tissues because you will need them. In June, the federal justice minister ordered her turned over to U.S. authorities. MORRISON: And now that she was freed, Shirley would once again, Mr. BAGBY: We had to take him down the stairs and give him to, Shirley's friend, who happened to have a car seat. MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/DearZachary. Zachary, how's our baby today? news about his mother and baby brother, and was slammed with instant blowback. Since their son was murdered in 2001 and their year-old grandchild was killed in Newfoundland in 2003,the California couple hasn't bothered decking the halls, but now they're celebrating alegal victory in the case. Mr. SHEARS: You could see in his eyes that he was full of life. Oh, my God. The two also had trust issues they were trying to overcome on Temptation Island,as they had both cheated on their previous partners. Some time after 1 a.m., she sat in the car and apparently mixed a bottle of sleeping pills with Zacharys formula. If she had her way, we would not have had any visitation at, MORRISON: Coming up, fighting not just to see their grandson, but. ', MORRISON: When Dr. Andrew Bagby's bullet-riddled corpse was, found in a Pennsylvania state park in November 2001, his devastated parents. MORRISON: It was November 2001 when Dr. Andrew Bagby, 28 years old, was found in hospital scrubs lying facedown in the state park in Derry Township, Pennsylvania. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. Kate said Shirley insisted on keeping Zachary in, the deep pool, which frustrated him because he couldn't move on his own. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest true crime memoir of murder and loss chronicles a system's failure to prevent the death of a child. prayed that his murderer, whoever it was, would be swiftly brought to justice. She spends most of her free time watching hit reality TV shows or writing about it for ScreenRant. When they pulled up at Turners place, the mother slipped Zachary out of his car seat. She pulled herself together and called David, then a technical writer at Ditech Networks in Mountain View. For the Bagbys, Zacharys birth was the start of more than a year of renewed joy and incomprehensible pain. It's great. MORRISON: A couple of hours later, there was another knock at the, Mr. BAGBY: Told us what happened. He went to work at Latrobe Area Hospital. Hello. KATE: (Audio recording) Right. They watched the legal proceedings grind, infuriating and slow. Society as a whole should take the lessons derived from this book and just pray the same tragedy never befalls their own family. Since their son was murdered in 2001 and their . Initially, Andrew's close friend Kurt Kuenne, a filmmaker, intended the film as a personal memorial and scrapbook so that Zachary could know the kind of person his father was. Another guy and I said, `Sure. MORRISON: Andrew's body was discovered the following morning with bullets lodged in his face, buttock, chest, the back of his head. anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? I couldn't see the point anymore. She always spent time with him, and seemed to me like she was, MORRISON: Still grieving over the loss of their only son, David, and Kate Bagby had forsaken their lives in California and moved to, Newfoundland, not just to make sure justice was being served, but also to be, (Kate; David; Newfoundland; Supreme Court building; photo of Zachary), KATHERINE: There's this wonderful feeling, `I'm going to see part of Andrew. Once David completed his engineering degree, the Bagbys were intent on starting a family. IRS delays tax deadline for Bay Area, but California hasn't followed: What should you do? They sound like wonderful people who were needlessly tortured by a horrible psychopath, It is gut wrenching to read the details and to hear how much both Andrew and David were loved by both David and his wife, Reviewed in the United States on April 27, 2016. KEITH MORRISON reporting: He was everybody's idea of the perfect best man. MORRISON: And tell me about your mum with Zachary. KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. He said, `What can happen?'. Mr. SHEARS: It seemed like it to me, yeah. With Zachary strapped to her stomach with a sweater, she jumped into the Atlantic Ocean. If Shirley, Turner had her way, they wouldn't have met Zachary at all, claiming she didn't. Kate, the compassionate nurse with the unshakable religious faith. May give you a new appreciation for being an American. MORRISON: What did you think that she would do, kill you? The first time I had to go into a room with her, David says. Mr. BAGBY: That's one of the options, and that's the one we hoped for. KATE: It was shocking, but not a surprise. And a desire to write about a Canadian justice system that is fatally flawed. This hope is brutally extinguished when Shirley kills Zachary on one of her visitations. Book details an absolute tragedy in the Canadian justice system. If I, just kill her, Zachary will be safe. whether she was capable of hurting Zachary. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest memoir of murder and loss chronicles a system's failure to prevent the death of a child. You will get an email reminder before your trial ends. "They are appalled and outraged.". At times, one would pull the other back from the brink. The Bagbys couldn't have been happier, particularly since. Why would she say that if he wasn't? T.J. and his girlfriend went to bed. When police interviewed the hospital staff Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Well, you don't have to look far.' GARDNER: (Audio recording) Would you be willing to turn the gun into your local police department so they could get it to us to let us look at it? Couldn't be her. Mr. SHEARS: She's kind of reliving a university life again. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. And I don't know, I just lay on top of her and we, MORRISON: T.J. opened the door to police, too, and heard the. More than a month passed before Turner was finally arrested in Canada on December 21 but, within hours she was out on bail until she could be extradited to the US. Reviewed in the United States on September 4, 2020. Woman #11: Doesn't matter what happened. While they could not have foreseen the murder or their son, Andrew, they did everything they could to keep their grandson, Zachery, safe. For fans of true crime, this is the perfect book for you. The Hornet was just back from patrolling the coast of Vietnam. Laudable ambition, difficult to achieve. Kate on average, especially at the beginning, tended to break down in despair and tears, David says. Mr. SIMPSON: And he said, `I'm going to need to catch up with you, and we're going to have to do some serious talking.' (Shirley in court; Supreme Court of Newfoundland sign), Mr. BAGBY: And then they started slogging through the courts with one issue, MORRISON: In the meantime, Andrew's parents made a momentous. So far, nothing has changed - but continuing the legal battle helps give David and Kate the strength to carry on. No one in my entire library system owns it either (30+ libraries), so I wound up having to get an interlibrary loan and have this book shipped to me from another state. And now a vindictive stalker had killed him shot him again and again until the gun wouldnt shoot any more and left him to die in the November cold of a remote parking lot near Latrobe. "You ask yourself, 'How could that happen?'". At some point, police say, Turner tied the arms of her jacket together to lash Zachary to her as she walked carrying him. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, this ranks right up there. quiet. He made sure to wrap Zachary in a blanket (rather than a bag) and kept him as far away from Shirley's corpse as he could. Since then, David has spent time enjoying the single life and reconnecting with some of the guys fromTemptation Island. In Canada, extradition involves a number of complex steps. The Bagby's lived a nightmare that no person should ever have to go through and I admire their courage and strength. In November 2002, when, Zachary was four months old, a Canadian judge ruled that a properly instructed, jury would likely find Shirley Turner guilty and ordered her incarceration, while awaiting a decision from justice officials to surrender her to the, United States. Easy duty. Their year-old grandson was killed by his mother in Newfoundland while she was out on bail awaiting an extradition decision. Theyll find her. The next thing a police constable is at the door., Two bodies have been found on the beach, the officer said. It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Or what about the one of me and Andrew? And I said, `Who?' The man said Turner had called him about 200 times in a one-month period, including a call to tell him she was pregnant with his child. The Bagbys, whod already been traveling back and forth to Canada for the extradition hearings, knew what they had to do. When I read true crime, I like to see more back story of the people involved. Zachary's arrival pierced the hatred toward Turner that flooded the Bagbys' lives after they lost their only son. And finally, tragically, Shirley kills Zachary. Reviewed in the United States on October 26, 2016. but if we don't get help, we don't know if we're doing what's best. But instead of folding, Kate became a volunteer advocate for foster children and started helping the parents of other murdered children. They seemed so real and genuine, and showed more raw emotion than any survivor of a crime I hadn't ever seen before. She was living with another nurse and her parents, who had also emigrated from England. Though David and Kate ultimately did not find their happy ending on Temptation Island, they both seem to be in a better place since the show aired. Take a look at Kate and her new love below: In addition to her thriving love life, Kate also created a brand called Spread the Love, which sells clothing and beauty items. Time for all of them to get together at McDonalds for Zacharys first birthday party. Shortly after Andrew's death, his friend Kurt Kuenne had started to a make a documentary about the murder, asking friends and family to share their memories of Andrew. It's just as heartbreaking as the documentary "Dear Zachary", which I HIGHLY recommend watching. Tragically, this is proven exactly right when she kills Zachary. Meeting her at 6. Once he discovered she was accused of killing a past boyfriend, he told officers, he tried to break off the relationship. MORRISON: But would that somebody turn out to be a blessing or a curse? Andrew Bagby was a genial boy with dark hair hanging over his cherubic face. TVTropes is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License. They really wanted to have a relationship with their grandchild. He said, `Well, it's 4:30 now. The ending was so shocking, I was screaming with David Bagby That bitch! Laws governing the, rights of defendants are fairly strong in this country, but there's something, about Newfoundlanders in particular which may have contributed to the judge's, decision to grant bail. Shes Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale, she explains. you have anywhere to put that, or that Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Not yet. Sold and delivered by Audible, an Amazon company, By completing your purchase, you agree to Audibles. She's very active online and has kept fans updated on her dating life, including her new man. Mr. SHEARS: I thought they were great with him. Andrew, of all people, seemed to have no enemies at all. That word closure? Mr. SIMPSON: Things people should know about Andrew, he was never late. His parents were ecstatic. Shirley kills Zachary and herself by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. Some days its difficult to get out of bed, Kate, 65, says. However, as events transpired, the focus shifted to the incompetence of the Canadian courts in keeping Turner behind bars, as well as the plight of Bagby's parents, David and Kate, as they battled to get custody of the last remnant of their slain son. Then she killed his brother. Six-month-old Zachary was, returned to her. Turner grew up in Canada, where she married and divorced two men and had three children who often lived with their fathers and other relatives. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? Is it OK? get in there, if that's what she demanded. Turner and Zachary were in the shallow kiddie pool. Andrew Bagby broke up with Shirley but she lured him to an isolated location where she shot him 5 times. Now that Zachary was starting to walk, he was free to make a beeline to. 2007 David Bagby (P)2016 ListenUp Production, LLC. Do you understand? (Canadian flags; Newfoundland; lake and coast; man in coat; photos of Shirley, and Zachary; Kate, David and Zachary; Shirley, Kate and Zachary; Supreme Court, building; photos of David, Kate, Zachary and Shirley), Mr. BAGBY: Dealing with Turner was like, I don't know, walking around with. But the Bagbys, who live in San Jose, California, could scarcely imagine what lay in store for them. I got to go to the trial. Newfoundland MP Scott Andrews introduced the private member's bill to reform bail provisions. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' "There, is no indication of a psychological disorder that would give concern about, potential harm to the public generally as her crime, while violent, was, specific in nature." For those who've asked how Kate & David Bagby are doing now, here's a lovely article from Diane Crocker at Newfoundland's The Western Star. Andrew Bagby is murdered in the US by a woman who was angry that he broke up with her. On Nov. 14, a Canadian judge ruled that Turner should indeed be jailed while arguments continued on whether she should be sent back to the United States. Hed been shot five times. killed herself and Zachary in a murder-suicide. David Bagby. I truly commend the Bagby's commitment to exposing (and trying to bring about change) a corrupt judicial system, even in the midst of their tremendous loss. I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. "The birth of Zachary gave us part of Andrew back," says Kate. No spoilers here for my friends but you must watch this film. Instead, the hearings and appeals dragged on for nearly two years. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. That is not a spoiler, as it is on the back of the book. children, who had recently been in a bad car accident. For the Bagbys, shock might have, (Photo of David and Zachary; photo of Kate and Zachary; Shirley being escorted, from court; court documents; court exterior; court documents; Kate and David), KATE: I'd sat in the back of the room while Judge Green said to her, `I'm so, sorry, Dr. Turner, your life is on hold, and I know the law is slow.' The public declaration all but removed the Bagbys doubts. Their bodies were later washed up on a beach. I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' Shockingly, despite everything that happened both on and after the show, Kate and David made another go of it. Mr. BAGBY: Shirley killed Andrew. She. Would dismantling Interstate 980 repair damage to Black neighborhoods? They did everything they could, and more than most would be able to try to find justice for their son, while trying to care for Zachary in the worst possible circumstances. "The law had let her out on the street and let her keep formal custody of the baby," says David. So he came straight for me. David Bagby has written such a poignant account of the sordid happenings and has brought both Andrew and Zachary alive on the pages. She fled to Newfoundland a week after Andrews murder and vowed to fight extradition. Zachary enjoyed himself in the water and a couple of hours later the Bagbys drove Turner and the baby home. On Aug. 5, Turners social worker visited her apartment to check on Turner and Zachary. They were living like students, says the Rev. How they were able to do that is phenomenal, actually, says the Rev. And we were going to be his savior.. hoped Shirley Turner would be returned to the US to face a murder trial. And if you haven't seen it, you need to. MORRISON: Shirley also claimed to have been at home in Iowa, sick in bed the day of the murder. I'm absolutely sure. She woke the baby and carried him up the stairs to her home, David recalls. The two eventually lived together again. Colleagues warned him to go to the police but, instead, after work that day he drove to a car park to meet her. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. There was an error retrieving your Wish Lists. with a supervisor, and we had to be searched. After breaking up at the final bonfire and ultimately reconciling, here's what David and Kate have been up to since Temptation Island season 2 aired. Save 50% on 1 when you buy 2 Shop items. Reviewed in the United States on January 15, 2017, This is a book written by David Bagby about the murder of his son by his mentally ill obsessed stalker Dr. Shirley Turner. I hate it. Turner, a general practitioner, was 42 when she killed herself and her son. NOT an easy or pleasant watch in the slightest. 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