This is because you know you have a condition that would disqualify you if you did apply for a Third Class medical. The FAAs denial letter may look daunting, but time and time again, airmen with a history of ADHD are being issued medical certification following the appropriate presentation of the airmens fitness for flight. I got the picture regarding medical, but am concerned about the section regarding legal history. One comment referenced the fact that we dont have to have a medical to operate a car or any other type of transportation vehicle. I know of several pilots who have useful vision in only one eye or have amblyopia that makes it impossible for them to pass the eye exam. Unfortunate as those events are, they do NOT cause accidents. If you fear denial, speak to someone that knows what they are talking about, not a blog. Auto accident deaths 30,000. I love flying and if I had to give it up, I know I would feel like part of me, and who I am, has been lost. In addition to providing your name, address, recent doctor appointments and hospitalizations, and details about your medical history, you will also need to acknowledge several warnings. Lie and get caught, you will lose your ticket, get fined, and possibly go to jail. I served 6 years with the U.S. Secret Service, protecting POTUS and his family. The AME will then be required to report any changes to the FAA, If not, there is no need to report to the FAA. Question 18m. Because of the Medical, no physician is my friend and neither are their nurses because they can enter accurate or inaccurate information into your record either one of which will condemn you. Contact an aviation medical examiner (AME) early if you have doubts or questions. If the AME says that you do need to provide X, Y, and Z, get all of that together before going in to see the AME. Speaking as a pilot, I think that there should be a way to maintain certification for those of us flying recreationally without having to see an AME every 2 years. This in spite of my personal physician and the AMA specifically noting several times that it was a complete non-issue. There are about 450-500 deaths per year in ALL of general aviation. When that syndrome is cured, much of what is wrong at FAA will be cured. Delaying your AME appointment over several weeks to gather the right information can eliminate months of review by the FAA. An exam for a third class medical certificate with a student pilot certificate can cost between $75 and $150. After you complete your MedXPress application, you will need to schedule an FAA flight physical with an Aviation Medical Examiner (AME). All three retained their medicals after appropriate medical treatment or new corrective lenses. It can also ensure you keep flying for years to come. Tell them what you will be it will be you that is on the bench because you failed the medical. to get it straightened out. You just never know, and even a thorough and honest medical will never catch anything. Therefore I go to a chiropractor every chance I get. In order to understand how likely it is the FAA would catch you lying, it is important to understand how they would catch you. Experts offer these tips: When he isn't flying, Paul Engstrom writes and edits from Sebastopol, Calif. The Dr. the agency recommended was an AMI. I had a friend that sold very pricey aircraft (demonstration pilot) that was colorblind. The Aviation Medical is the most expensive physical exam I have ever had and also the least thorough medical exam I have ever had. All content is fact-checked before publication. 2022 MedMG - All Rights Reserved We report, you decipher. BUT I HAVE 40+ YEARS AND 5100 HRS OF PIC IN MY OWN AIR CRAFT WITH OUT INCIDENT OR ACCIDENT. It's usually the "have you ever" questions. FAA Disqualifying Conditions: Bipolar Disorder. When a government becomes oppressive, intransigent, and unreasonable, allowing no recourse beyond its edicts, eventually people react. I fly for a living. Keep in mind that the FAA receives something like 430,000 8500-8 each year. I did not disclose my name or address when I created this account. You would be surprised how many complaints FSDOs receive for folks reporting their family members. Should I expect the FAA to understand my circumstance if theyre going to pull a pilots ticket for marital counseling? What the FAA is looking for are patterns of behavior that suggest pathological conditions that may lead to gross negligence or unsafe decisions regarding flying. That question cant be removed from the form easily, so you have the option of clicking the box labelled International or declining to provide and leaving the field blank. Hey Guys as you know there is nothing private on the internet. I am in full support of the exemption and hope you will support it too; after all, it has worked for the Sport program and it seems it will work for you! Do You Need A PHD To Be A Medical Scientist? NO. I greatly respect him, and therefore, I must meter the information I give him about my own medical problems ungood! The bottom line is,if you cant be truthfull to yourself,you cant be truthfull at all. I hope the AOPA and the EAA will also move quickly, and I want to thank both organizations for this effort. HIPPA Law prevents them from looking at your medical history without your consent. 11-06-2013, 09:45 AM #7 ackattacker. I would like to see how many incidents of NOT seeking medical attention, due to knowing that the FAA will pull their ticket, have led to problems. Legally, it does have to be the original. 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I can see a medical for commercial operators, just like Bus drivers, but that is all. Ones health does not distinguish between ones ability to pilot a 2 seater weighing 1320 lbs and a 4 seat airplane weighing 3500 lbs. Im also struggling with depression. astronaut training. For Uncle Sam, though, this is anything but a judgment call. Seems arbitrary to me. Yes the present medical sytem sucks but, its all we have until better management goes to Washington. But the standards are not different. I forgot to mention that your Idea sounds like a good Idea. I also feel that anyone flying not-for-hire who can truthfully answer no to all the medical questions should be allowed to submit that form directly to the FAA and maintain his medical without needing to see his AME. On the subject of medical self certification, read the announcement by the AOPA and the EAA. In reality, all pilots (no matter what their license) self-certify their fitness to fly every time they fly. Are they going to question my patriotism or mental stability? waiting for them. Any law or rule, which is widely viewed by those subject to its enforcement as being unfair, unjust, capricious and arbitrary, because it has no basis in fact, will be disrespected and thus unenforceable. For airmen, this, like so many other aspects of aviation, is a judgment call'but one that also gets tangled up in personal ethics. 6 months and 2 weeks earlier I had one done for a Peace Corps application and sent that in, which would have been good for 2 years. It explains a lot of stuff that seems ridiculous, like have you ever been unconscious. Until the rules change, abide by them, and make sure you self monitor. The regulations are not arbitrary. If they have any concerns about your eligibility to hold a medical certificate, AMEs can also deny your application or defer your certification to the FAA for further review. Most major airlines are in negotiations at this time, and many are contentious. Here in Italy Superman still dictates. Lesson learned here is that not all Air Physicians are the same when it comes to evaluating pilots. One is. Sometimes I think its not necessary for ATC people to have medicals. He memorized the color chart. There are more boating accident deaths (650 or so), motorcycle deaths (4500), automobile (35,000). Like everything els not all AMEs are created equally. Too much information could mean denial of the application and bureaucratic warfare with the FAA. He was convinced if he had the physical and they discovered something bad, hed have to admit it to the AME. Every child at some point decides to spin around and around until they are dizzy and fall down. Withholding a medical certificate by the FAA for long periods of time while (somewhat silly in many instances) paperwork is completed does not help with the proficiency issue. Its about cooperating with your doc so you can keep doing what you love. If say 10% are due to medical incapacitation, that would be 45-50 deaths a year. so.does everyone repeat their whole life medical history.or just the recent stuff since the last medical exam? The most recent was a year and a half ago. I am 55. From open heart surgery and stroke to PTSD and diabetes, it is possible to qualify for an FAA medical certificate with more conditions than most pilots suspect. Never used my weapon except for training. We have been contacted by major union legal teams regarding this issue. Compared to all causes of death, these are infinitesimal numbers. An example is the FAAs recent rule change on anti-depressant use. During an FAA medical, a urine test will take place that checks sugars and protein levels. Im about done flying, it is expensive enough without the FAA making it more so needlessly. Most pilots I know plan to fly for longer than it takes one or two medical certificates to expire. Skye, you may be a little over the top with your attitude but not by all that much. But, it was not the fault of the FAA, it was mine for not verifying the doctors statement before submitting it. I have been asymptomatic for all of those years and I am on no medication. Deaply sorry it was a dumb statement. Theres also the issue of things that a doctor may speculate on that they have no training or qualifications to formally diagnose. Any deviation from general standards of health found would/should require a more intense examination/(s.). Nonetheless, the posts are very short for novices. I had a single bypass in 1981 and have been operating on a special issuance since. What makes an airplane as a machine so different. This exemption is exactly what I need to keep flying, and I am sure there are many others like me. I am a physician instrument pilot with an appreciation for medical limitations. Meanwhile the FAA now sits on thier collective thumbs deciding what to do. Im no danger to anyone because I dont particularly like myself. I dont remember the exact incidence of pilot incapacitations that they quote at the AME seminars, but it is extremely low. Accident investigators at every crash look for signs of incapacitation and collect items such as medication containers to try to determine if a medical reason caused the crash. Emmons wait until you have an episode of situational hypertension or have to see a marriage counselor. Read from the question directly above the one you linked to: Long-standing FAA regulation, 61.53, prohibits all pilotsthose who are required to hold airman medical certificates and those who are notfrom exercising privileges during periods of medical deficiency. I mean no offense, but other adults telling another adult whether or not to disclose something on a medical just doesn't seem right. Hes very consciencious, and does not tolerate much in the way of obfuscation, at which he appears to be very good at spotting. Yes its very rare for someone to have heart attack or neurological brain seizure in flight. Im 64 and working on my PP license. You are assumed to be lying. Im a depressed individual Ive been formally diagnosed with dysthemic disorder, a long-term, low grade version of chronic depression that isnt helped with medications. You had better not try to get on medication to calm you down and thus make you a safer pilot because you will no longer be able to fly. Needless to say, I have never taken a $100 Hamburger flight. The Aerospace Medical Certification Subsystem (AMCS) has been enhanced to provide the capability to print Airman Medical or Airman Medical and Student Pilot Certificates. I dont know if all pilots lie during medicals, but I do know of one who did. What a great time you both will have. So, I can only assume that the FAA will see it so there is no question about having to report it myself. I am probably am the only one who will answer that I like to go for the medical because if forces me to go to the doctor. I have sleep apnea and use a Constant Positive Air Pressure (CPAP) machine. A large gray area separates these two extremes, however. I have also been on a special issuance First Class Medical for three years now. I am all in favour of your own doctors certificate of good health. see you in the cockpit!! If Im not successful, well, I will probably just put the dream to bed again. My driving record is perfect, but I have been wondering if the FAA will reject my certificate because of an assault charge that happened five years ago back when I was in highschool. Obviously, the Veterans Administration and the military are still struggling to understand PTSD and have been dropping the ball for 50 years. The truly dangerous people are those that make impulsive decisions while in a dire mental health state brought on by outside factors. Ask your AME to call Oklahoma City and ask to speak with a physician about your case. Bottom line, you are better off disclosing to the FAA if you want a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd class medical certificate. These blogs are linked to your name/email be truthful but be careful. what tests you need, when you need to take these tests, etc) to satisfy the FAA that youre good to go. So how many depressed pilots (especially those who do it for a living) are flying? As a 74 year old pilot, I feel that seeing the Aviation Doc every two years is good for my health. But, I dont think my level of forthcoming on the application was typical. There are also considerations for appeal to the National Transportation Safety Board, but this option will be also be dependent on discontinuation of the disqualifying medication and your ability to develop an argument that the underlying diagnosis was not accurate. Its possible that a pilot could fill out a MedXpress form to the best of their knowledge and still leave something off that could be revealed in an investigation. PERIOD. I'm not offering any advice on what to do. I avoid medical intervention like the plague. His response was that the FAA wanted to ascertain that I was aware of the disability and take necessary actions to overcome it, In this case to use other senses to monitor the aircrafts actions, i.e. The flight will continue without further incident. The hypocrisy at the FAA hurts general aviation in lots of ways. If youre over 40 and your first-class medical is not renewed within six calendar months, itll revert to the privileges of a second-class medical for an additional six months. I got my ticket after age 50. There is so much hearing loss among the older pilot population, but current practices do not do much more than whisper a question when not facing the pilot. Another friend had accompanied me to this testing and he sat across the table from me so that he could see the doctors actions. The process is so closed ,opaque, and bureaucratic. I am a rental pilot as well, and unfortunately, there are no sport rentals available, and they are too expensive to buy. If I continue to wish to fly.I had better take care of myself by good nutrition and exercise..on the issue of lying no, I would not lie because not only is it stupid it is cause for losing the ticket. I lost my 2012 medical cert in Istanbul, and make the mistake of sending the FAA form requesting a duplicate. We all know that volume of cars on the roads vs. number of planes in the air leads to have to deal with more idiots on the ground. Im applying for a job where they train you to be a helicopter pilot. What does this mean? I am working with a private party who specializes in this sort of thing and he cant really give me definitive answers either; just educated opinion and guidance. Im old, crazy and hard of hearing bit like most experienced pilots I suppose. Why is such a standard not imposed on motorcycle or car owners ? Do you need to have 20/20 vision to be a pilot? Risk is inherent in everything humans do whether they are operating a car, a boat, an airplane or a train. A 3rd class medical should not be required for a private pilots license. Personally, I feel that if I am medically safe enough to drive then I should be safe enough to fly. WOW they had a conniption, and I lost my ticket for several months while they dithered. The FAA medical process makes it nearly impossible to comply with completely. He refused to take the physical his business required because his family had a history of heart trouble, he was a bit overweight, etc. Two years later fifty percent of the same Medical Board had differences of opinion, and being naturally frustrated I decided to visit UK, and was told by specialists there that systolic heart murmur does not prevent me from flying. If you have a new medical diagnosis, just received a letter from the FAA or have any concerns about your FAA medical certificate, let us help. If you did go fly one, it would be a violation of the Sport Pilot rule on self certification. Local Oklahoma City Area: (405) 954-3261. Im due for a flight medical soon. They want to approve, not deny medicals. I guess it was a bit negligent on my part to get so far into before getting the medical. So if there is cause, e.g a call to the FAA's hotline, an investigation will occur, and these will be seen and rather quickly. I was just having so much fun and I didnt realize just how difficult it was going to be. Thats a great question, Ben. I know of several. Email me at [emailprotected]. Me- private pilot ASEL, Airplane Instrument, flying since 1986. After numerous attempts I decided to contact the FAA of the situation so he would not get away with deceiving the AME again. Please type or print legibly and remember to sign and date the request. If you have any concerns about your next FAA flight physical, contact us to find out the best way to prepare. John has been quoted or mentioned in major publications, including Chron, Flying Mag, and National Review. The big question is, though, whether it matters. If you don't disclose it the likelihood that they find out about it are pretty slim, though. What Are the Chances of Getting Caught Lying on an FAA Medical? Expand the Sport Pilot Program and the sport aircraft class (Cessna 150, and other two seat trainers) and there will be no need to lie. While my husband sailed through after having lied. I have to weigh in on this issue. I would respect them more if they screened for problems and helped people cure them, rather than go over the hill with a knee jerk reaction. Also remember Ronald Crews 16 months in jail flying with Cape Air back in 2006 for lying about his diabetes on question 18k and then he had a diabetic seizure in flight but luckily there was a student pilot there to land the plane. Im older now and have some typical late 40s health issues. If you are stupid and want to wait months for a medical waiver. I look at the FAA as the enemy trying to take my life away. Have you ever been dizzy etc. How did the terrorists that crashed into the twin towers pass a medical that I failed for COUNSELING??! There could be a much better system in place that would not compromise safety of small aircraft. From a practical standpoint, it makes the most sense. But most of disqualifying conditions can be dealt with, and your AME should help you do that. I dont know for a fact other pilots lie on their medical, but pretty sure some I know do. I dont blame poeple for lying. AMCD will consider much more than the information you submitted in MedXPress and your AMEs exam findings. Someday you might actually have a problem you cannot hide. He was a commercial pilot flying 727s. Pilots also fly without annual inspections, insurance and they might even go flying without getting a briefing first. I have been flying with a special issuance 3rd class physical for 15 years. The absurdity of these medicals resides in the tiny number of casualties from medical incapacitation, compared to most other activities requiring no medical. Im not trying to be deceitful, but I really want to be prepared for this interview and I dont see the importance of something that wont effect flying. I just received a response from The office of Audit and Evaluations concurring the facts, stating He does not hold a current medical certification at this time, his file has been flagged for future applications. I need some advice from experienced pilots / medical professionals about a problem. The standards are too strict and the FAA bases thier decisions (especially on medication) on generalizaitons instead of listening to the pilots and doctors. The Third Class is an absolute joke. (And not be able to go to the interview next month with the cert in hand). A quick examination of the many truthful and honest individuals that are truthful during their AME exams and are no barred from ever becoming a pilot! If you didnt say yes then you lied. If you can afford to own or rent an airplane, you can afford to pay an AME. People, in general, are in better health than they were 20-30 years ago, largely by not smoking, watching their weight, eating less fatty foods, etc. That resulted in the rejection of my 2010 medical! I sympathize with you. It is probably one of the most important benefits they offer their members. I was STUPID enough to be honest. I went to my own doctor who advised me it was nothing to worry about. FAA Current Detailed Clinical Progress Notes. Bicycle accident deaths 700 Yeah thought so. Find one that will help you get through the maze, not simply hand your problem off to the FAA. Even without a lie, I've seen situations in which the need to disclose something might have been questionable and the pilot answered "yes" one year, but "no" in a later year. I was told at a young age I could not fly with one eye, but latter in life I found out I could with a medical waver. I think its a very poor decision to falsify your medical. They, and AOPA, worked with me to get it corrected. The application states once hired you must obtain a class 2 medical cert Theyll wait until a couple of major airline pilots go postal or have a seizure over the threshold and get the front page bold type, then overreact totally inappropriately, and far too late. (BTW, I am a member of both.) Yes, all my discussion was only applicable to private, recreational pilots, not airline or large freight liner pilots. Should I be worried? My question is what are they doing in order to get caught. What you dont want to do is lie. I manage my health daily so as to not have to place them in a position to yank my ticket or otherwise cause me not to self certify. you disclose something that warrants further information or investigation, or something happens to you like an accident, incident, or disciplinary action which the FAA will then thoroughly investigate. A related question would be do people fly without a medical illegally? 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