Amy Salit and Susan Nyakundi produced and edited this interview for broadcast. SHIRES: I feel like its a little nasally, and I wish it was, like, a little bit lower. I accept it now. You used to lean in like I was whispering, any excuse to get near again. Whereas before, I would just, in my mind, wish it was something different like Etta James or something. But anyway so I went and I sat down in my barn of internal wandering. Where are our Nashville folks? SHIRES: Thank you so much. So one of the things you learned, like, I think in the past few years is that your grandfather had spent years in prison. I like to play pool, he says. And I said, OK, well, Ill be the healer. Its pretty obvious.. Jason Isbell Releases Death Wish' From New Album And in this case, I wanted Jason to also come in and sing it, too. And that song, its part my story and part, you know, stories I know from friends. And Zachs going to play guitar. If you share your story or share your beliefs, youre going to get some haters and trolls. 99.99%. And then I thought about Waylon and Kris and them of The Highwaymen, and I was like, they were kind of speaking about ageism. She co-founded the country supergroup The Highwomen, which includes Brandi Carlile, Maren Morris and Natalie Hemby. So hold on to your thoughts. I cant see a thing from here. And thank you for putting up with me. When we overturn Roe, we risk going back to, Oh, now same-sex marriages cant happen. All Rights Reserved. And because I was in the time of my life where I was having a disconnect in my marriage and not feeling great in with music but I discovered that it takes a lot to be vulnerable, and it takes a lot to talk to folks and to understand each other. SHIRES: I didnt know anything about them. Yeah without you asking. And I was reading mine. Im all for freedom, but I think if youre dead, you dont have any freedoms at all, Isbell said. And I dont know how I feel about that. GROSS: Your mother earlier in her life worked as a bail bondsman, right? Jason Isbell and Amanda Shires perform at Ryman Auditorium in Nashville. SHIRES: Oh, yeah. Her latest album is called Take It Like A Man. Well be right back. The song is named "Parking Lot Pirouette" for its protagonist's graceful forwardness, her decisive movement to prolong a pleasurable dalliance. Opening with solemn piano chords, The Problem features Isbells voice first, then Shires joins, and the pair trade lines as they move the story along. And I followed a dress code. Theyve ended shows with Neil Youngs Like a Hurricane or Van Morrisons Into the Mystic. Tonight its the Rolling Stones Cant You Hear Me Knocking, and its ecstatic. On Shires' latest record, her songwriting is more fearless and vulnerable than ever but as always, it's a reflection of an artist focused intently on community, equality Amanda Shires is a singing, songwriting. You may opt-out by, U.S. So did you ever visit her at work? The 100 Greatest TV Shows of All Time (SOUNDBITE OF AMANDA SHIRES SONG, SWIMMER), GROSS: This is FRESH AIR. Me and @JasonIsbell RCA studio B making a musical recording. Im glad to hear it. All the time, the want, the overwhelming volume of breathing. Is there a song that youd like to do? The bastards hung me at the Salem gallows hill. SHIRES: Oh, right, in Alcatraz. It was Fault Lines.. ", Shires and Isbell have a toddler daughter together, and thanks to gendered assumptions about the distribution of their parenting duties, Shires has fielded more than her share of questions about how she balances motherhood and music-making. Which brings up the question, why were Jason and I, and Margo Price, the biggest celebrities quasi-celebrities at the march in Nashville? GROSS: One of the things I love about his music is the way he combined the spiritual and the profane in his songs and the spiritual and, like, anger and resentment and despair. And sometimes, you know, you can, like, cup your hands and drink water from them or you could cup your hands and I dont know. So I couldnt really get into it. I dont care if somebody wants to put a target on me. In the first half of the 20th century citizens from every walk of life gathered at the Ryman to enjoy the greatest preachers, entertainers, speakers and politicians of the day. And Natalie said, I want the one about preaching. What does he have to lose? You can call me serious trouble. GROSS: I think its time for another break. You slammed the door so hard I still hear rattling spoons. And as it happened, eventually the auxiliary cable quit working in the van so I was left to the radio choices of sports ball and Top 40 country music. Our guest will be Mark Bergen, author of the new book Like, Comment, Subscribe in which he reports on how YouTube ushered in a world of abundant content and creativity of influencers and online hustlers, of information overload and endless culture wars. SHIRES: Theres this song called Milk Cow Blues. Its blues, you know? Thank you for your songs. In 2016 there was 13% representation of women to men on country radio, and now it still sits pleasantly at 16% on a good week. Isbell took a stand, even facing backlash from his fellow artists. She makes the decision before it gets to the point where she makes a mistake, and I like that. SHIRES: She did. GROSS: So this track features you, Natalie Hemby and Yola as a guest artist on it. Shires plays fiddle in the band. I just feel like that invites a lot of conversation and questions, you know, into our marriage and our relationship. Shires wrote the song a few years ago and originally imagined it as a conversation between several women, but revamped it to feature her collaborator and husband. "Last night you walked me to my car / You said, 'You won't be getting far before you turn around,'" she sings, her phrasing seesawing and scampering. The players in the band, they took me seriously as a player, but they also understood that I was a kid.. I know everyone is scared of losing their rung on the ladder, but there are more important things, I think, than your fame. The timing of The Problem and the fact that its benefiting the Yellowhammer Fund are both important, as draconian, punitive abortion laws have been enacted in Alabama and neighboring states in the last year. Snubbing the King: Why Don't Big Stars Want to Perform at Charles' Coronation? I hope youll join us. Maybe I was asking for a little too much. GROSS: Lets take another break here. And even on the charts, theres one spot usually I think in 2016, there was 13% representation of women to men on country radio, and now it still sits pleasantly at 16% on a good week. And she also plays in her husband, Jason Isbells, band. fiddle-playing damn Texan. He has since learned to tell the story of his recovery. Say whatever feels better or whatever. Shires started playing fiddle professionally when she was 15 with the band the Texas Playboys, which used to be led by Bob Wills, the father of Western Swing. The next time Jason Isbell told Amanda Shires he wanted to quit, she began talking with his manager about facilitating a trip to rehab. However, the "night-before bender" nearly broke them. Shires told WNYC Studios, "He wanted to do every drug, drink every thing, drink the moonshine, all the late night stuff, it was crazy. Since publishing my op-ed, Ive heard from some folks who are in their eighties. It goes, (singing) I woke up this morning, and I looked out my door. After Isbell announced last week that he would require enhanced Covid countermeasures at his show in Austin, Texas, singer-songwriter Marc Broussard took to Twitter to lash out at Isbell, calling him bourgeois and elitist. Broussard asserted, Some working-class fans cant afford the risks associated with either the vaccines or even getting a test, adding, Id rather quit music than become a pawn in the pressure campaign. He did not provide any evidence of the risks he claimed were associated with getting the jab or receiving a test. My best hope is that people continue to get angrier and that the folks who have been fighting so hard for so long, and are already tired, find some strength to keep fighting and also to mobilize others, especially youth, along the way. GROSS: Thats Empty Cups from Amanda Shires new album, Take It Like A Man. Thats such a great song, Amanda. GROSS: How did you find that out? GROSS: OK. It's a sentiment that Shires has echoed many times since. In a June 2022 follow-up, the artist detailed for Rolling Stone her experience of ending a life-threatening ectopic pregnancy in August 2021. And then she wanted to know if it was real, so she hired a private investigator and all this. But for me, I was just happy to be up there playing music I loved. Amanda Shires appeared on The Late Late Show to perform her recent song Take It Like a Man. Playing with her band, the singer offered an emotive take on the And I also went to Greece and hung out at his house. Jason Isbell and his wife, Amanda Shires, were walking around last weekend in Newport, Rhode Island, where they played the Newport Folk Festival. If you see my milk cow, please drive her on home cause I had no milk and butter no since my cows been gone. Do you think you would have been able to have the surgery if abortion had already been banned in Texas? A parking lot at night is a setting in which many women have learned to feel unsafe, to hurry about their business with heightened awareness that any strange figure approaching may have sinister intentions. Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble. Ive listened to all of his records. SHIRES: (Singing) If you want a lover, Ill do anything you ask me to. I know I can take it like Amanda. And Im coming for you like a hawk for the dove. To keep the newness from wearing off, for every start theres gonna be a stop. Lets start with a track from the new album. ", In the bruising roots rocker "Eve's Daughter," propelled by a tense groove and serrated, scraggy guitar riffs, Shires plays the part of a woman so desperate to expand her horizons and satisfy her hunger that she's unafraid to take risks in the name of escape. Another is a freedom rider who died during the Freedom Rides. OK. And my hands are two empty cups. Then I told my friend Dave Cobb about my idea and he really liked it, and he said, Im going to have you meet Brandi Carlile. It doesnt have to be Im Your Man. I just know that youve done that. Thank you for performing for us. This happened to me two and a half weeks before Texas abortion ban went into effect. I said, I just wrote this song. And after he did his time, he didnt say anything about it. SHIRES: Honestly, a lot of times, my thoughts come to me just in pictures. On top of that, Shires notes, the pro-life stance doesnt typically extend past birth. I was doing fine, and then, I was just like no sound would come out of my mouth. I mean, only just now nine months later, interestingly enough have I returned to having normal periods. My focus stays strong I can work on a song for six or seven hours in one day, and not get bored or tired of it.. And one day, we wound up in the studio, and we cut the song. Im a big, big fan. It felt like maybe wed both leave at the same time. GROSS: I think its so interesting that your mother worked as a bail bondsman, not knowing that her own father had spent so much time in prison. And I had been internally bleeding for a whole lot of hours. Probably nobody enjoys it as much as I do, but its not a necessity for survival. 825 Eighth Avenue, New York, NY 10019, WNET is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization. What made you think of yourself as his disciple? Lets get back to my interview with singer, songwriter and musician Amanda Shires. Im Terry Gross, and this is FRESH AIR. When Shires was in the hospital giving birth to their daughter, Mercy, in 2015, she had to disclose to her doctor, with her husband and mother in the room, that shed had an abortion. Amanda Shires is in Serious Trouble in Hawk for the Dove Fallon Performance I would like to challenge other folks who have platforms to actually use them. And these guys are in their 70s and 80s, and it was very much like hanging out with lots of granddads. And I wrote Fault Lines and then I texted it to him, just like youd imagine. Im glad to be a listener and also glad to see folks from those generations supporting the right to choose. GROSS: Well, I want to play a song performed by The Highwomen, and the song is actually called The Highwomen, and its a song sung from the point of view of different women. Lets get back to my interview with Amanda Shires, a great singer and songwriter who also co-founded the band The Highwomen, which is a kind of all-star country music band. On August 10, my life was savedthese are some dark days.. WebBEHIND THE SCENES with Amanda Shires | Backstage at the Ryman Presented by Nissan | Ryman Auditorium 11,820 views Jan 1, 2019 92 Dislike Share Ryman Auditorium A woman threw a house party with 65 men she matched with on Tinder and Hinge and connected with the man she's been dating for a year. And then it was never like, oh, they have to be on a record once I do record them. SHIRES: Thats all you have to say? Because thats not how I go into songwriting. We try to have as much fun as possible singing a bunch of sad-ass songs, he said from the stage with one of the few grins hed allow himself. The most-watched episode was from April 8th, filmed the day after John Prine But I had about seven different album sequences going on. Lawrence Rothman has been a model of self accepting themselves. And then more recently, just about a year ago, in August of 2021, you had an ectopic pregnancy. And Frankie and Lanny, my teachers we were at Lannys house the first time Tommy came over, and then, I met him. Amanda Shires' To the Sunset comes out Aug. 3. One is a Honduran asylum-seeker who died while trying to cross the border. When the band step back from their microphones to begin the extended breakdown, Isbell smiles like a boy on a great adventure. It makes it feel like youre tough enough for the fight, all the way down to your bones. There were probably 2,500 people, and Im just standing there with a guitar, elevated and facing everyone. Lets get back to the interview I recorded last week with singer, songwriter and fiddle player Amanda Shires. And (laughter) I, like, played the part. Yeah, I can do an excerpt. FRESH AIRs executive producer is Danny Miller. No way. And nobody would let me in, but I sat there anyway. I had no problem taking direction, but and I had no problem helping when I needed to help, so. (Playing fiddle). See where your favorite artists and songs rank on the Rolling Stone Charts. You have your fiddle with you. GROSS: This is FRESH AIR. A lark in the shower from the night to the morning after. Wherever you get that support whether in a relationship or friends no matter what you believe, you can believe to support somebody through something hard.. To see more, visit. As it turns out, it did start some conversations within our own families. SHIRES: On August 9, yes, I was in Texas at Austin City Limits. GROSS: That your Father had spent 25 years in Alcatraz? Community Rules apply to all content you upload or otherwise submit to this site. All rights reserved (About Us). When do you show him the songs? SHIRES: You want to come to the play the show tomorrow night, too? If youre just joining us, my guest is songwriter, singer, musician Amanda Shires. I still miss the way you lean in. But it was true. I could just trust based on how Leonard Cohen did all that work for us. 1,286 talking about this. When we left off, we were talking about when Shires was 15 and started playing fiddle with the Texas Playboys, which used to be Bob Wills band. I was snared by your wrist. Its not competition, Isbell makes clear with a chuckle. And how come you didnt know before? GROSS: With the Texas Playboys when youre performing with them or something that you learned from one of your teachers but that really made you fall in love with the style and that epitomizes what that style is. You dont see a lot of men speaking up, and every voice is helpful. SHIRES: I began writing that song when I did the record My Piece Of Land a long while back. I guess for awhile youve been looking for the exit. And your verse, you are somebody who thinks of herself as a healer but was hung in the gallows during the Salem witch trials. I want Garth Brooks out there telling people that womens health is a priority. Theres so much attached to folks thinking women treat it as a kind of birth control. The Truth About Amanda Shires And Jason Isbell - TheList.com Isbells first show after finishing rehab was opening solo for Ryan Adams in Perth, Australia, three days after he got out (two, if you count the international dateline, the day that goes into the vortex). The attention hes getting for Southeastern, from the opening recovery track Cover Me Up and the brutally stark Elephant to the full-throttle raver Super 8, feels like its coming at the right time, after hed had ample opportunity to get good at what he does. GROSS: Whoa. No more? But through the process of making the record and all the things that go with that, the hours and the tedium, it got easier for us to have conversations, not because we were doing the work of addressing the problems, but because we found common ground on something again, which has always been music and words.. Editors picks I had to spend the night with her at work. While the idea was mine, it wasnt only me that made this Highwomen be a thing. So lets hear a song about when things werent so all right. SHIRES: Yeah. Her new album of original songs is called Take It Like A Man. She also co-founded the country supergroup the Highwomen, which includes Brandi Carlile, Maren Morris and Natalie Hemby. And I was trying to sing that song A Little Walk With You (ph). And we had a TV that wed watch, you know, Saturday Night Live on Saturdays. The Grammy-winning singer, songwriter and guitarist from Green Hill, Ala., made headlines in 2021 for requiring proof of vaccination or proof of a recent negative COVID test to attend his concerts. The 100 Best Albums of 2022. And this is the iteration of the band Bob Wills & His Texas Playboys, which got their start in they were most famous in the 30s and 40s and 50s. Shes also one of the founders of the group The Highwomen. And because of that, I felt like we should make it something thats as safe as it can possibly be. Or is this through listening to his records that you feel like youre his disciple? (Singing) Time was all Id want. And it was a picture of hands holding on to nothing. Singer, songwriter and fiddle player Amanda Shires still remembers the moment she fell in love with the fiddle. If you want a partner, take my hand or only you want to strike me down in anger, here I stand. Along Bridget Bentz, Molly Seavy-Nesper and Kitty Eisele adapted it for the web. Where would that leave my own daughter? The song is called Empty Cups.. photos by @alyssegafkjen I remember thinking, Wow, theres a lot of potential for me to really mess this up.'. With artists and concert promoters nationwide forced to confront a surging spike in infections and hospitalizations attributed to the spread of the delta variant, This is FRESH AIR. This is FRESH AIR. Youve been very outspoken about the right to have an abortion. The sound of silence rings in every room. SHIRES: I mean, I think theyre pretty good. As Delta Variant Spreads, Artists and Venues Scramble to Keep Concerts Safe (Rolling Stone), Live Nation Allows Artists to Require Vaccination or Proof of Negative Test Result for U.S. Concerts (Variety), This is a BETA experience. How Trump's Team Conned Susan Collins Into Dooming Roe v. Wade, Add Abortion to the List of Things Republicans Are Blaming for Uvalde, Want to Know What Politics Looks Like After Roe? Shires new album, Take it Like a Man, includes several songs she wrote during a rough period in her marriage to musician Jason Isbell. SHIRES: Well, that was that parts a secret, Terry. BRANDI CARLILE: (Singing) I was a Highwoman and a mother from my youth. Become a member of WLIW ($5 monthly or $60 annually) and get access to WLIW Passport as our thanks for your support. GROSS: Oh, thats great. Can you play something that you think kind of epitomizes the style that you learned and fell in love with? Why was that the verse that you wrote or sang for yourself? And I said, Id love to. All Rights reserved. Learn more about his tour. Its not more threatening than the idea of taking away the services and the work that doctors and nurses do. After recording and touring for several years with the Drive-By Truckers, for whom he wrote standouts including Decoration Day, Outfit and Danko/Manuel, Isbell launched his solo career in 2007. Cookie Settings/Do Not Sell My Personal Information. Were proud to be from that area. SHIRES: Theres a medication that you cant take right now after, you know, about two weeks after this happened to me. The election is November 8. We followed a coyote through the dust of Mexico. The tracks release Got myself a breakthrough case of Covid- feeling fine but well have to cancel the next few shows (Asheville, Louisville, Columbus, Wilkes-Barre, and Wilmington). We both know that none of that was keeping, keeping me anyhow. If you want a driver, climb inside or only want to take me for a ride, you know you can. And I really liked it. I see you talking, but I cant hear a thing. Is a chrysalis a butterfly? Were you in Texas at the time? Theres a lot of things you do with your hands, but it struck me the most is matching the feeling of desperation or even begging. SHIRES: Oh, yes, Mercy is my daughter. In 2020, she penned an op-ed for Rolling Stone about why abortion rights matter. Isbells grandfather and uncle were both musicians, says Tompkins on the phone from Nashville. Web0:00 / 2:57 Amanda Shires - Fault Lines (Official Audio) Amanda Shires 26.8K subscribers Subscribe 23K views 6 months ago "Fault Lines" is on Amanda Shires' new album. It just seemed like the right thing to do because I dont want to spend my time on stage worried about if Im making people sick.. And couple of lessons like that, he pulled out some fiddle tunes that he had been transcribing aurally from Frankie McWhorter. (SOUNDBITE OF AMANDA SHIRES SONG, HAWK FOR THE DOVE), GROSS: Our digital media producer is Molly Seavy-Nesper. Where does that get us with our Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights? I didnt want to do more damage. So she did daytime job. Demographer Diana Greene Foster conducted a 10-year study tracking both people who had abortions and people who were denied abortions. YouTubes privacy policy is available here and YouTubes terms of service is available here. Amanda Shires opens her new album To the Sunset with a strikingly different scenario. They arent helping. I said, itd be cool if I was The Highwomen or maybe had a band The Highwomen. Her new album is Take It Like a Man. Oh, I could have crowed. I could just trust based on how Leonard Cohen did all that work for us. GROSS: This is FRESH AIR. This has been the hardest year. You can have as much fun. Yet, Isbell noted, the problem is that many of the venue owners are getting so much pushback from some of the governors of certain states who want to kowtow to their political base.. Is there a song that you could play a Leonard Cohen song you could play an excerpt of for us in tribute to him since were both such great fans? Interracial marriages cant happen. Privacy rights are going to be gone. She gets pregnant and wants to have an abortion, although she doesnt feel great about it. People dont have to come to a concert, Isbell said. It de-stigmatizes the conversation. If we tell our stories, it helps other people feel empowered. I want to talk with you about The Highwomen. And Lanny Fiel, he would say, youre really, really great at the parts you love. Also, during this time when I was leaving, I was thinking about how [my daughter] Mercy picked up a kazoo and she could play a kazoo. So it was just like a week and a half or two weeks afterwards that Texas banned abortion. SHIRES: It was because Tommy Allsup was living in Snyder, Texas, at that time, and he was running the Bob Wills band. Shires told her producer Dave Cobb, who also served as bassist in the album's indie rock-leaning band (with Isbell on lead guitar), "My violin needs to sound like it's in an aquarium, but more bright. 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